Transcript MFW 036 | Dan Allison

[1:06] so if you're looking for efficient effective and sustainable ways to elevate your health and the health of your family.

Then I strongly recommend you make yourself comfortable,

because we have an amazing show for you today when is the director of the strength and conditioning programs at the inflow Wellness Academy and is a youth

training specialist with a bachelor's degree in exercise science and Community Health Dan is fully equipped to help you reach your ultimate health goals

one of Dan's passions is working with our kids helping the younger athletes make the safest most linear progress they can for their sport alright families let's jump into today's interview.

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[1:58] Thanks for having a man it's a pleasure to be back excellent encourage everyone to really Circle back and listen to episode 0 0 2.

[2:07] Of the Michigan Family Wellness podcast where we actually talked with our guest today Dan Allison.

And they share the Mission Vision and values of power Performance gym and actually today that episode has been one of the most.

Downloaded episodes of the Michigan Family Wellness podcast so congratulations Dan obviously your messages.

And I'm delighted to have you back on the show here today glad to have the opportunity and glad to get the word out there and help

people I change your life for the better said we always do start with our famous two questions on the podcast you're so damn I've just told our families a little bit about you as the professional.

The one of the core values here as you know on the podcast is family.

So can you tell us a little bit more about you as a person and what does family look like for you.

[3:02] Grew up in Trenton Michigan currently live in Westland older brother younger sister to Step Brothers.

[3:12] Mother dad and stepmother in the couple cousins also in the area so.

[3:18] We're all in the Metro Detroit area and you know we love it here been here for a while I just really appreciate,

are listenership to be able to connect with the guests that we have on the podcast to thank you for that and another thing I love to stay here on the podcast is that we are smitten with the Mitten so I always ask my guests to share what they love about Michigan

there's a lot of things that I like him and you'll some things I don't like try to focus on the positive love summer is here love fall going to Tigers games like going to.

[3:53] Red Wings games in the winter like going up Norris and getting out hiking.

When you were saying just like around here families here and that's what kind of makes it worthwhile.

And if people go back and listen to episode 2 y'all still here you know you lived in Chicago for about.

2 years or year-and-a-half or something like that just under two years and you know there's lots of lots of great stuff out there but.

Home is where the heart is so,

The Mitten for sure so damn go ahead and get more in-depth because I really want the women mothers and families listening to today's episode.

To get value from your experiences your expertise and your.

Perspective to start from a framework or a ground-level you know what is the mission what is the vision what are the values again of the concept of training

give families give kids give athletes the most bang for their Buck training we're going to take them through a full assessment see everything is going on with them.

[4:57] And really design a program that's specifically for them you know whether your young ass weed or grandmother.

Whatever might be you know you're have a program that fits your needs your goals and we're going to guide you in a way.

That's going to lie to get there in the quickest safest manner possible personalized approach.

You could almost you know walk in and walk out without even being noticed that being said you could also go to the opposite end of that Spectrum go to some news other private gyms but you know may not get

attention or the direction that you would really need to really hit your goals and so that's why I appreciate just personalized attention to detail the family atmosphere over there at Power and.

That comes through in your mission vision and values so let's go ahead and let's not focus on the kids

we want to talk about today you know tell us about your training approach I know we are talking in our preach at you mention you know the joint by joint.

Approach you know for these younger athletes can you kind of tell us more about that by joint approach was just got him a general philosophy.

[6:06] We still review all of our training you know whether that's the young athlete or.

Gandia the grandmother example use the proper mobility and proper stability.

[6:19] You know he's joining the body and in layman's terms that just says we can move where we need to move and we're strong and still where we need to be and.

We use that to get our assessments and got our training so when.

[6:35] Kids come in we're going to see what joints they may need some work in either getting more Mobility or getting more stability.

[6:43] And we build a plan that is going to address those issues in the safest manner possible the following this this joint by joint approach so.

No bad positions joint position dictates muscle function so that being said no bad looking less no bad looking movement patterns you know there is there's always room for improvement.

[7:04] Great attention to detail with the actual movement the program is just kind of a guideline and you know comes down to the in the trenches connecting with the athlete.

Making sure everything is is looking smooth absolutely into these younger athletes from our parents and sometimes

our parents don't move that well and then we actually learn those movement patterns

when you think about it it's like you can tell your kids to go play outside you can tell them to run around and spend time with your friends and you know just be kids right.

Which is absolutely true that's that's so great to do on the surface but what I really think working with someone like yourself can offer is that.

Methodical approach you know you talked about the joint by joint approach whether that's preventing injury for a certain athletic season I mean gosh right now.

What's the fall season here we got the back to school programs going on with all the sports happening right now and I just think he's younger athletes these kids working with.

Trainer that can Mossad we take them through a movement pattern or breathing pattern just can provide so much benefit and.

[8:19] Not only in terms of performance but in terms of prevention would you agree with any of that most definitely, you know what I think I think the biggest thing was that we talked about in the last episode of weird together was

building a foundation quickly to finding a foundation for the prettiest kids.

Even little bit older athletes that maybe haven't trained before foundation would just kind of include a good breeding patterns number one if we can breathe correctly can't relax can't recover.

And from a being able to lift standpoint once these kids start doing some loaded lifts they're going to need to,

feel the brace properly and if you can't breathe properly it's going to be challenging and then also just having good clean fundamental movement patterns cell can the kids crawl can they skip can they balance on one leg for.

You know more than 10 seconds can they hold the top of a push-up can they hold up a body bodyweight squat without any problems can they give me a hip hinge.

In a little things like that doesn't have to be real intense but just some basic basic basic foundation work to restore some of those things can go a real long way even just some general walking Sledge stuff Growler stuff

just got a general work capacity so these kids aren't getting

gassed out at some of these practices that they have to go to.

Either low back pain or neck pain I know and they've been having this for a long time and I'll ask them okay well how long.

[9:43] And it's often going back to an injury that they occurred

where are they picked out when they were a kid and so I think this conversation is so relevant as a parent I would

definitely want my kids to be moving well and it moving and planes and patterns that are going to be conducive to battling performance like we mentioned but also prevention because honestly as adults that we.

Profoundly and significantly affect our lives more older you know we can talk about the Aegis musculoskeletal maturity okay so what happens is.

At 25 years old but your skeletal system is fully formed you know those bones are going to completely ossify and classify those joints are going to be fully formed.

But up until that point and everything is moving and changing so especially when we're talking about these kids who are e235 10-12 years old.

[10:37] Everything is changing and everything is moving daily I would argue if not even

hourly because of all the different hormonal changes and things like that and I don't want to go into too much detail here we can talk more about Wolff's law and you can look up research on that what I essentially want to get at is you have to send those signal sohn and muscle

they won't change or develop unless you actually send those signal.

[11:00] What we're not saying is bring your kids into the gym and you know dance going to take them through Olympic weightlifting and Crossfit and all these things that's not what we're saying but we are.

You can do this in a methodical and thoughtful and targeted way,

to really get like what we're saying with these benefits and value of performance and prevention officer you know where I've heard whether it's with me or whatever,

and I know saying hey go live now it's getting that man with a staff or a coach was going to.

You'll be able to show them the right exercise or the right the right progression so the right dose at the right time,

no not every kid may be ready for a barbell back squat right off the bat which it's a fantastic exercise

I may be a coach

to work a little bit better as maybe start with bodyweight squat holding onto some straps bodyweight box squat things like that and I'm going to build up that patterns easy parents don't see a bar in the back they're comfortable with it start loading them up with a

goblet kettlebell front dumbbell have them work with that for a while.

[12:10] The other backs not being loaded at all spine is is staying safe by the time they've done a couple months of those you know they may be ready for a barbell front squat.

And you know by that time they know exactly what they're doing they know safety breathing mechanics you know things of that nature cell getting your kids in

with a program that has progression to it that's thawed out based upon their level of Readiness their willingness to learn traduce correctly at a young age you can be something that can benefit them for the rest of their lives

we learn how to move from our parents and watching our you know our folks move around and so if your son is going to go try out for the football team but really haven't learned how to move properly for a linebacker position you know that

probably hurt themselves pretty bad and then you know be out of commission for That season or the next season or you know even worse maybe even for the rest of their life so I definitely,

that what you have to offer these families is of Great Value and I want to go into more of that value as well because.

[13:07] Gosh I mean were talking about exercise here Dan and we know I mean there is a lexicon of literature.

That supports the physiologic changes the benefits of just simple exercise drug-free exercise there is nothing out there's there is no drug out there.

[13:24] That can do what just simple exercise and movement can do not only for your body.

[13:29] But for your brain as well so when you talk about these kids that might have their struggling with maybe a mood disorder or a neurocognitive issue you know the prevalence in the rise of autism and Asperger's.

[13:41] Gosh I can't think of how exercise could hurt that you could only benefit them so especially if you're kid maybe they're not.

Going out for the football team maybe they're not doing hockey and swimming and tennis and all these things maybe they're having you know some serious health concerns and you just want them to start moving because that movement is so important for your brain

all of the joint information from our where are muscles are in space where are joints are in space all of that is sent up to the brain so if you're talking about how can I help my kids brainfire correctly are just even with concentration gosh Dam

spend less time in front of the TV do better in school and increase their cognitive performance.

Exercise is a fantastic way to do that and what better way to do that with a coach like yourself Dan in a methodic and a functional way I want to also touch on.

Human growth hormone okay so this is very important and I've read tons of research that suggests okay for those of you who don't know human growth hormone is one of the most.

[14:48] Powerful hormones that we have in our entire body when we take in a synthesized form really doesn't have that profound effect

as if we were just to make it on her own and the thing is Dan when

we get stressed out and we don't exercise our brain does not make this hormone on its own so again back to signaling you got to send the right signals and here's the thing Dan when you exercise it was specifically when you strength and condition train like what we're talking about here,

that is the primary stimulus for signaling the release of human growth hormone and we can talk all day

about the benefits of human growth hormone that stimulates the breakdown of fat cells so you have better blood sugar control it's especially going to help with that growing athlete those younger kids who are going to are forming their bones are growing their joints are figuring out the right places.

And gosh I can't even we haven't even mentioned Chiropractic adjustments yet I just think that there is such a great pairing between simple conservative Chiropractic adjustments.

You know and what you do with the kids and trends of the training part of that because again these kids are growing and changing and they're not skeletally immature until they're 25 so.

There's so much that you can do in these younger ages.

[16:05] Can work together so I guess the moral of the story is between the both of us we try to put the kids in the best position possible get his joints and his or her joints in the best position possible.

When cows adjusting number when I'm doing strength training your Mobility exercises with them.

And doing all of all of those things in the correct joint positions putting some strength training on top of that allows them to sort of hit save on those good positions and.

If you have to stay in them a little bit longer elhence being a little bit healthier on the field or on the court just increasing their General I work capacity and.

Ability to be healthy

over long-term now I know you're really big into foundation so let's actually go back to a foundational component of training philosophy which is nutrition.

Nutrition when you're training these kits okay we'll just tie it back into some points you're just making about brain health Kyle food is a drug and going to have an effect on.

[17:06] Neurotransmitter is busy with her brain does and what it tells our body to do the moon it's going to be in order to be in and just the state of Readiness or how we're going to feel

two trainer player sports sell we don't deal with these kids and say Hey you have to completely knock out everything you're eating and eat this way or that way in Odessa

talk to him and see what they're eating for breakfast or see what they're eating before they come and see if they're eating the night before they get in that first or second workout and they're going through a little bit of conditioning or even just some simple.

[17:34] Basic strength training stuff and they start losing color a little bit and look like they're getting sick on X Out of Time it comes from having.

Apple juice and cereal for breakfast or some sort of sugary type thing like that but they're their darn delicious but there's better times to eat on my cell.

It always your delicious but why you just maybe have some water some eggs and some fruit and see how you feel next time you come in and sometimes out of time this morning oh my God time times better than last time you know so getting there.

Getting a sugary breakfast is out of there and really drinking much of anything but water or practices before workout is really just kind of a waste of time,

you're just making yourself kind of feel more out of shape than what you really are and I really maximizing your potential and.

[18:22] I'll save the save the goodies for after the activity has some fun with it and don't get too out of control,

not only is how we move and how we trained very important at a young age but also to go along with what we're saying here about nutrition.

The way that we teach our kids how to eat at the fuel that we put into our bodies is so imperative that those younger ages because absolutely,

skyrocketing rates of type 2 adult onset diabetes obesity cardiovascular disease you know all these things are major societal issues in our culture.

[19:05] And all this preventable all of it is

great ways to accomplish those goals

how to use of pharmaceutical medications and surgery so I can't for the service that you're inviting the community

workouts for games are these B's over High pre-workout stimulants and I know he has all see me drinking my coffee and.

[19:34] Like caffeine and stuff like that body I know explode and,

jack3d C4 stuff like that not good stay away from that lot more harm than good kids think it's like steroids it doesn't do anything besides get you caffeinated and itchy and irritable and all this good stuff.

So stay away from that drink water maybe have a little bit of coffee.

And just get your head right there are definitely research to suggest in different things that can be organic

things that actually do boost your performance and exercise you mentioned coffee organic

coffee it's the extras it's the fillers that are going to ultimately mess up your gut you mentioned those pre-workout shakes and everything

better alternatives food-based to I mean gosh we could definitely organic

beat in terms of nitric oxide production and all that so damn the purpose of the Michigan Family Wellness podcast is to be an audio library resource for the women mothers and their family wellness and increasing their resiliency or

to the stress and challenges in their life one of the ways we accomplish this is by asking Our Guest for practical.

So damn what can the women the moms in the families listening today.

[20:54] Start doing as result of hearing your voice to elevate their Health and Family Wellness will throw one out there for the the moms out there he didn't corporate the exercise push away is or are pull away so we're going to push away.

The kids cereal and apple juice and all the garbage at breakfast maybe try out eggs fresh fruity set organic coffee water maybe some different vegetables things like that for your your breakfast and your child's breakfast and you're going to feel a lot more

alert awake and productive throughout the beginning of the day ever on the moodlede little bit more stable and go I'll be able to.

[21:29] You'll be better version of yourself for the kids out there eat that breakfast don't be stubborn your parent and from of movement standpoint get moving around doesn't have to be heavy powerlifting stuff which can be fantastic if you got a good coach out there but let's get on the ground.

Do some crawling do some rocking let's do some bodyweight squatting lunging Farmers carries no picking up,

a couple moderately heavy dumbbells kettlebells something you can safely pick out my sweat back to get up carried as far as can set it down y'all do that a handful of times dragons clubs around and have some fun be ready to start loading up.

Squatting deadlifting if you want to learn Olympic lifting seek out

you know someone older than you who's qualified to teach Alaska lot of questions learn how to do the movements of the best technique that you can times not always going to be perfect but learning how to do

your movements very well will allow you to get strong and do it for a long time.

One of the things asked a lot of questions I can't emphasize that enough really ask questions because that's Altima Lee going to lead you to the most relevant and the most truthful information which is what you're looking for and against.

[22:39] But also about breakfast.

Making some simple changes to their breakfast especially with the back-to-school time of the year was busy morning schedules with their breakfast in the morning but honestly from what I see.

If you're getting up at 4 or 5 in the morning and you're trying to get the kids go in and get them on the bus by 6:00 6:30 or anything like that there's just so much going on so early in the morning.

[23:09] And you need so much digestion signaling to really break down those protein in those fat so if you're doing that I would almost suggest like you were saying Dan like go for that fresh fruit that's going to be much easier to digest when you're on the Run

later on in the day maybe mid-morning when your blood sugar is getting a little bit lower.

Then reach for that meat and that protein and a good healthy.

[23:35] You're going to be more calm your parasympathetic nervous system is going to be functioning better.

And that's going to allow you to make stomach acid into make all the lipase is to break down those macronutrients because I just think it's too it's too much to handle for most people.

It's just too much to handle first thing in the morning at 5 a.m. to try and wolf down a bunch of meat and an avocado it's just too much overwhelming signaling on your digestive system is my main point there would you agree for it but

fruteria you know just drinking some water and some apple cider vinegar something to settle down the stomach first thing in the morning can be great

but you're more or less moral of the story is like hack away the unessential sell the family get the box sugary cereals out of there the from concentrated juices out of there all that stuff you know you had that stuff away any choice you make after that's probably give you a little bit better and going to be an improvement

Michigan Association DIY can go to their website they've got a lot of great resources on there for training youth athletes and lots of great ideas ways to find Qualified

professionals your kid plays baseball.

[24:47] Eric cressey. Com is great ugly maybe detail all these in the show notes

A lot of great information there on.

[25:02] Some of the things I was talking about like crawling and rocking and restoring some basic Foundation movement patterns Tim Anderson on their does a fantastic job.

[25:10] Educating and detailing how to do a lot of really helpful things,

where are the hockey communities at so guys stay active on their name on there is coach Allison da2 my Twitter handle hit me up on any of those platforms and I love to.

[25:35] Well thanks again Dan and if you're listening to this podcast and this message is resonating with you I want a highly encourage you to head on over to Michigan family

[25:45] Where will have a dedicated web page with all of the show notes that we've mentioned here today Dan thank you so much for coming back on the podcast gratitude my friend it was a pleasure

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Transcript MFW 060 | Dr. Elroy Vojdani

Dr. Elroy Podcast

[1:06] The best way to have a healthy family is by living a Family Wellness lifestyle so if you're looking for efficient effective.

Then I strongly recommend you make yourself comfortable because we have an amazing show for you today dr. elroy's Johnny is the founder of regeneron medical a boutique functional medicine practice in Los Angeles California.

And a certified bredesen recode practitioner

well welcome families to the interview portion of today's podcast I have with me today doctor Elroy Voyage Johnny welcome to the podcast Doc it's so great to have you.

It's great to be here Kyle appreciate it.

[2:06] I just want to thank you so much for coming on the platform here doc I had the honor and the privilege of meeting you back in Denver just last week

people out there that are just struggling.

Hundred lbs and chronic disease that are just looking for answers were a lot of functional medicine and even the owl pathak model has come up short for them so

I want to thank you for your time this afternoon as we always start with with every guest that we have on the podcast dear.

[2:43] Can you briefly tell us what family looks like for you.

Thank you very much for thing at home that I think you carry with you wherever you go.

[3:08] Absolutely.

The healthy baby healthy mother there that's

I have not had the honor of visiting Michigan but my brother-in-law who I'm very close with is a freshman at the University of Michigan just started.

[3:34] He just came home yesterday for fall break so I'm catching up on all his wonderful times and Mission

brilliant that's great to hear I'm we're always I mean right now with the fall definitely go Blue cheering for Michigan there and I hear great things about the university with their medical programs and all of their academic achievements there as well so

with your functional medicine clinic out and.

California there on the clinical side applying these things that you're doing with the research and actually changing people's lives to elevate their health and

on this lifestyle specifically i wanted to go into a talking the in test no permian below the and our current understanding of wiki got because i think there's.

Again you've talked about this on your YouTube channel with a wrist of what is Johnny PhD.

[4:33] And.

Oftentimes there can be confusion or miscommunication about mechanisms or even new research comes out and we have new understandings so.

[4:52] No for some during degree or another that we have these multiple barriers within our body right so we have six primary barriers if you will

one being the skin are first barrier with the environments are lungs you can have a leaky lung context our lungs have a barrier,

obviously the intestinal barrier which I think is most widely known but then we also have a good vascular barrier a blood-brain barrier which is had a lot of attention around it recently

and also onion barrier so if we could dive into a discussion of the inch has no barrier and i know it may a branch off from there i think they'll give people a great start.

In terms of California contacts for our discussion.

And listening to your talk back in Denver what I heard you say if pregnant if I'm wrong but it's almost as if our intestinal epithelium or those cells that kind of makeup are gut lining.

[5:55] There's some component of our body sometimes wants to have that be

i was a most the time it wants to be a good nice tight junction that's closed off does that sound correct.

Or how does that concept totally correct and so what we were talking about in the lecture was.

[6:29] Kind of completely reverse our understanding of and has some pretty billy

we used to think 20 or 25 years ago and I even mentioned in the lecture that it when I went to med school what we were taught was

that the interface between the inside of our God and our blood.

And then that is basically you know absolute and that the spaces in between those cells which are the paracellular spaces and where tight junctions live.

And dr. Fasano's work was going on actually the same time that I was learning that in medical school.

And he basically flipped the upside down he said you know this is incorrect.

We have a mechanism to open these.

[7:28] Spaces in between these barriers elsener got end.

Or open and close these tight junctions to be able to sample,

what's inside of our gut and that's in the spirit of maintaining something called.

Oral tolerance or peripheral tolerance.

[7:53] Which is our ability to say this is Friend or Foe basically.

[7:59] Self or non-self exactly did you ever watch the movie The Matrix dock.

Of course.

Turn off above the door where Neal walks in when he visits the shaman I forget what her name is.

And so I just think of that when I reflect upon this concept of autoimmune ology or having your immune system recognize what is Friend or Foe essentially that Thursday.

Absolutely can you expand upon this idea of oral tolerance and maybe tie this into the alcat test because that's an understanding that I'm trying to format.

[8:37] Understand as well and have that be shape because I think a lot of people have heard of the alcat test or they've had the testing done and they may feel better for an initial period of time.

What's the long-term plan.

[9:02] You know beginning at about 3 months of age or our body starts forming immune cells within our bone marrow.

And we start creating something called Central tolerance which is this really vital part of being able to exist.

Which is training the cells of our mean system to understand what is our tissue and what is not our tissue.

And that of course occurs in that i am missing you know goes a couple of years two or three years right essential tolerance.

The idea that our tissue is our own and make sure that our immune system never attacks.

[9:38] Expanded concept is something called peripheral tolerance which is.

Where you're still trying to maintain the idea of cell vs non self white be flexible in.

Peripheral tolerance occurs primarily in the gut.

[9:59] And this is a dynamic and ever-flowing process as we are exposed to different things in our environment and end that

that's where tight junctions become incredibly important functions to work appropriately you need to be able to turn them on and open them in unregulated fashions in the correct situation.

In order to expose your immune system which is centered within the guy to the right amount of antigens at the right time so it knows which which one's the fight and which ones did not

now we don't want to suddenly start developing reactions for example is something very common like gluten Nord sub peptides,

you know this is not what I mean system is designed to do it's doing this by accident and it's happening it's happening through dysregulation of Grifols.

[11:09] Those of us in the book Valley School of thought.

And along time ago we now have testing was coming up.

Be one of the immunologist on staff to validate alcat test,

what the fuck.

Changes in character size composition of the lymphocytes in there for terminating service immune reactivity to.


[12:00] He wasn't able to.

Areas of research for us is actually validating ways that we do do some testing which I think is something that everyone who is practicing in this base needs to be aware of is.

You know how reliable how accurate how reproduce or the test we do.

And what can i answer the case so i'm personally not a huge fan at all can i know that there are lots of people out there it use it and they do use it successfully and is a very common story.

[12:48] Choose your and what you just mentioned that people respond positively initially read foods that are mentions.

[13:01] Initial symptoms symptom relief will not propagate for very long periods of time or maybe I think more importantly.

In the question is why.

I think that goes.

When you look at I think how inflammation is centered in the small intestine in the setting of intestinal permeability you know that the propagation of inflammation and potentially antibodies to some of those

I think that antibody testing gives you much more important clinical information.

And you probably want to look at more than just IGG a lot of people are looking at.

Yeah I think this is a great discussion here. I really appreciate you bringing the value here because as a chiropractor I primarily work with musculoskeletal cases.

That gives us a level of trust in the foundation to move forward into these new avenues that.

[14:18] Chiropractors actually have a great access to especially when a lot of.

Gives us a great Segway into.

Give us an understanding of this selective for me ability because.

[15:00] The intestinal epithelium to let something through right or is that really not been proven yet or is it always a bad thing to have permeability.

For the paracellular space so they're they're basically opening a gate.

Or things to enter directly into the bloodstream and therefore into the game system there's absolutely a physiologic function.

Dysbiosis done in balance of bacteria there many chemicals alcohol common medications like Advil common pesticides like Roundup.

[16:09] Set up.

[16:19] Some cases actually tight junctions can be fixed in the open position so your stock.

Consistent opening of the tight junctions and you can imagine where if there's a function normally there opening and closing in a very short period of time if they're stuck open

your new system is empty flooded with crowns proteins and so is it when we learn why is

on the end of illegal surface we open our page options.

And you're mean system is basically being flooded with a bunch of.

[17:13] Do we know you mentioned those environmental stressors you meant,

question Kyle very great question the only two things that have been proven in the literature to actually resulted in upregulation of Zombieland are

gluten peptides and dysbiosis and I think part of dysbiosis

you have to start talking about bacterial toxins whether they're LPS or something I didn't talk about the lecture another very important bacterial toxin is bacterial cycle equal to spending dachshund.

[17:54] Which is part of a very common infectious agents that cause acute GI distress but.

Primarily alterations of,

intestinal permeability via other methods of testing not actually looking at zonulin release but when you

I think when you look at the mechanisms it's all going to pan out zonulin is such a master signaling molecule.

We have this up regulation of zonulin from our environment from our contacts whether it be dysbiosis.


So then we have the opening of the Junctions.

[19:06] Take it from there so the kids are open right.

You know basically your immune system is inside the Fortress it's job is to defend.

[19:30] Several lines of soldiers that are sitting just just past the gate waiting for these enemies and their job is to.

Right so this first line of Defenders is our innate immune system right are non-specific immune defense.

[20:02] Natural killer T cells these are all things that are sitting there waiting for this on Rush a CD on Rush happening.

They get upset and they just start releasing the bunch of pro-inflammatory cytokines are chemicals that are,


localized inflammatory response right

inflammatory response

shortly thereafter going to get some redness and and not Implement inflammatory response is very similar to what's happening inside you've got on this happens right

now what happens if this.

[21:27] What you can think of is maybe the Navy Seals inside the Fortress.

We need help us deal with all this complexity of Invaders and those Navy Seals are adaptive immune system

autoinflammatory and autoimmune diseases even outside of the right so,

the Invaders are rushing through the Adaptive immune cells make their way.

You can just open it open the gate real quick take a peek at who's across the line.

Close the gate in your body inside Fortress is totally fine in this situation.

[22:54] Be enemies have made their way through and that second line of defense is decided okay you know we need to,

toupees here and that's where you can actually make antibodies against food particles because of that this regulation.

And then that's where a lot of the antibody testing would come into play.

[23:12] Is that right so you're basically testing when you're looking for antibodies

I know I'm a little bit passionate about this stuff so.

Need that whole localised inflammatory response to go away.

[23:56] Enemy that they were recruited to fight against for example let's use something different let's say the casing for example I have protein in milk or whey let's say Jason keeps on rushing and they're not going to go anywhere

M10 the entire environment or response.

[24:42] And then based on what you just outline.

Ideally than that everything should start to seal however sometimes.

To her stress levels due to all the other environmental factors i think sometimes that healing doesn't mr lee take.

Inflammatory bowel disease or Crohn's disease rheumatoid arthritis so we have we had this great new understanding.

A lot of these pathological disease processes that are now being spine with differ mechanisms.

And I feel like we're able to provide new tools and better treatments for these patients.

Absolutely yeah this was the remarkable breakthrough I think of dr. Fasano's work.

[25:47] Central feature for the development of autoimmune diseases and we're also finding many connections to.

As well we used to just say.

[26:16] Happened a black box know you have interviewed sorry yeah now i actually we're understanding that.

[27:03] They found a much higher amount of sanyo wind-up regulation patients with type one diabetes adults patients

and patients who don't have type 1 diabetes so something else is going on here and it's actually centered within the intestinal I think one of the Great Hopes here is first of all our understanding of the Adaptive physiology has grown

brick trade of time that I've been in practice I'm sure you have a much better perspective on this.

[28:12] Yeah then outline why that's better than the serum cuz I know that's part of your.

By using sugar molecules and testing the amount of them in urine and basically saying if there's more to this than that and you have some.

Issues with your ability and research white that's like completely clean.

Right there are a lot of things that can change your intestinal absorption of a sugar molecule that have nothing to do with this zonulin pathway

or have nothing to do with your immune system so Johnny land became the focus.

Dysregulation of your immune system means potentially autoimmune disease if you're not.

[29:26] All the clinical research that was being done was being done using serum is on also this.

Signaling molecule is released into God and then.

Makes its way into the bloodstream and therefore you're drawing their blood and you can look at the amount of Zombieland.

It is significantly elevated to the point that you can make a conclusion that this regulation of xylem plays a role in this disease but.

[30:00] Sure you can draw the conclusion that type 1 diabetes is correlated with an increase in Zombieland based on serum levels

okay you look at the celiac disease patients when you look and see rims on eiland levels you get like 40% of patients with celiac disease that's an autoimmune disease that is centered in the gut almost all of those patients should have a positive.

Intestinal permeability test.

A Clinical Laboratory diagnostic tool and even doctors opponent bassano in their own research said

didn't stop many lives from using it as a new clinical diagnostic test which is worse terms anion levels became.

A tool in the functional integrative squirrel.

So basically.

[31:09] You have the designers of these experiments saying you probably shouldn't use it but live saying whatever.

[31:27] It's a big molecule right we knew based on other research that looked at Big molecules that,

when you want to look at the stability of those big mouth.

No way that you can think about using testing for these things and reliable and that's because.

[31:47] Okay.

Arthropathy reactive arthritis Ankylosing Spondylitis so it's involved in a lot of very important diseases but for a long time we've known,

you should be looking for the antibodies to LPS because.

[32:37] The LPS that it was attacking is going to disappear.

[32:41] In a very short period top two to four minutes for help that's so.

[32:45] What if you looked at the actual.

Which indirectly tells you that LPS has been present at consistent levels or at least the last four to six.

[33:26] And what is available as a Laboratory test and we said let's compare those two antibodies,

excluding Clawdeen with your other proteins in the tight junctions and we looked at something called Leo February acidic protein which is.

[33:44] Becoming a very big part of the vascular permeability discussion that is the new.

[33:49] Hear a thing about especially when you look is it levels vs antibiotics on your levels the antibodies were elevated much more

33% of the patients with celiac disease in our study had serum Zombieland elevations 67% double the amount had antibody elevation so when you talking about a clinical tool

this one looks based on the data to be much more reliable reproducible stable over time

get those numbers back in the NBA publish those results absolutely

any sort of connection to the vagus nerve are parasympathetic nervous system.

[35:16] We're talking about tight junctions but I'm going to briefly wrap this up so.

[35:22] How to take functions are not the only important structure in that's case or repair cellular gap in between yep feel yourself there's also another thing how do you your instruction.

Filial cells to sit next to each other and work happily.

There's a set of bacterial toxins called satelital distending toxins which actually directly attack.

And this is work from dr. Pimentel at Cedar-Sinai.

[36:03] Body will form a antibody to it.

Is protein in your ad here instruction and also cross-react with your enteric nervous system,

the appearance Junctions throughout your entire intestinal system so this is your method of


stop dating a migrating Motor complex which is signal through your vagus nerve tear and tear nervous system.

You are breaking apart the connection network and then you are also directly attacking the nurse.

[37:01] Explosives and amount is of type junction are very often.

You got intestinal permeability and you also get direct damage to the interior of nervous system.

And we're finding out that a very large portion.

Actually have both of these.

[37:41] I'm is basically a large portion of the majority of patients with IBS subtype d.

Will have abnormalities related to antibodies attacking.

Enter nervous system and also significant.

Portion of those with constipation subtype so.

[38:05] You're finding out that damage the entire nervous system is autoimmune in nature which is really really really fast.

Wow that just blows my mind I've never heard that articulated that eloquently I've never even heard of that mechanism is that unlike a molecular mimicry

evolutionarily beneficial to those bacteria to develop toxins that mimics our own structures.

It's one thing for toxins to do their job in To Kill a cell

it's another for them to propagate in any response that.

And it just turns out to destroy your jerk nervous system.

[38:57] So

[38:59] Would a good practical application be going back to all of our functional neurology vagus nerve exercises so are humming gargling or gag reflex.

Absolutely that's what you have to do and at the same time also focus on restoring oral or peripheral tolerance getting your body to stop producing.

Antibodies to is toxin in there for your own tissues.

So yes yes and I want people to know who we're listening that dr. elroy's Johnny is out there in California at regeneron Medical is that correct

that's correct yes yes so if you need a functional medicine testing doc use out there in california if you're locally here at the michigan family wellness community context,

of course we have the ability to do a lot of these tests as well cyrex is the.

[40:07] Basically what we're talking about what we're looking at with a lot of these antibody test I believe it's array 14 is that right.

Absolutely again briefly back as we conclude our talk for today I think we're still going here with our recording.

Basically can you take us through perhaps that right side of that voice Johnny V because I believe you guys have some great practical application,

some of this testing is not the most accessible for a lot of people.

Eight more got center the me having your of generation one so i'll talk to the basics of god centered wide and also a little bit of.

So basically got centered line as we call it a through think so.

[41:17] Obviously remove the things that are causing inflammation in your.

[41:34] Right and then you have to send positive signals to the immune system right you have to send.

To our friends the t regulatory cells which are responsible for whether we have this item one time before a i don't you think going on you have to send them happy sick so.

At large doses of vitamin a i like of the ten thousand units for shorter the time.

Large doses of Vitamin D based on your testing you know that's a pretty easy test again but anywhere from 5 to 10,000.

I'm a big fan of glutathione using very often you know.

[42:19] Master antioxidant obviously helping you cope with this and planned for it battle heels blood brain barrier is really pushes a pack detox so i use it very often.

Yeah the switch on and on and on the neuro degeneration world there dirt very very similar you add a few things that are different.

[43:08] Yeah so when treating patients with intestinal permeability I use serum bovine immunoglobulin e.

Everyday many times today it is expensive but I think it's really effective the literature is really showing.

I think that what we experience in clinical practice using this is panning out.

It's basically an oral version i big basically just taking holding european helping your immune system.

Clean out this biotic organisms healed.

You don't prove any issues you might have with biofilms I think it's a really powerful tool thanks so much.

Briefly what are you do you like to dose those immunoglobulins pretty high.

I've been dosing two and a half grams two times a day for anywhere from three to six months.

[44:07] So that's basically two scoops of the SBI protect from working like there and I do like I was using a prescription version.

Before this was available and it does have dextrose from GMO corn,

and if your location is balance the both of my not so low that so that's why i switched up or some like.

[44:54] Love and support all these is there practicing.

In this field a functional medicine we absolutely need you the community as a whole I think would not be where we are without.

DC's being so forward thinking about employing functional medicine and thinking about their entire patient.

I think for there you go is books wearing a battle I think is as a community or practitioners

what we feel is the correct way to look at the literature and treat patients and there is a lot of blowback from other sides.

So we're all part of the same team we all support each other.

My thought with that doctors that we can do far more together and then we could ever do a.

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Transcript MFW 035 | Debbie Diehr

[1:12] Fishing affected and sustainable ways to elevate your health and the health of your family.

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through her soft tissue techniques and raindrop therapy Debbie believes a Life well-lived Begin by living well she helps her clients in their journey to become healthier happier and more relaxed.

[1:45] Eight families let's jump into today's interview welcome family for the interview portion of today's podcast might yes on the show.

Thank you so much for having me

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for elevating your house.

Which brings up a great point.


question that we always ask our guest here on the podcast debbie i'm just holder families a little bit about you as the professional

but one of the core values.

[2:55] Family for being looks like.

On my for daughter is have given me seven beautiful grandchildren and we want.

Eight one on the way i have.

So can i mean don't like me that's have to get yeah i'm just kinda thinking ahead in terms of the conversation that we're gonna have on rain drop therapy here i can get

you know debbie another thing i love to stay here on the michigan family run the catch is that we are.

Smitten with the Mitten so I always ask my guest to share what they love about Michigan.

[3:42] Oh my gosh Michigan is is is awesome I love Michigan just.

The beauty of it

the but michigan it,

what more can you run across but in the back top rear engine.

I'm telling you there's so many things,

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[4:55] Not right away when someone here is raindrop therapy they may be a little

typically when someone says later on

back forms of Alternative Health Care,

I hear my wife witty remarks in my head in a raindrop therapy.

Raindrop therapy.

Go ahead and talk.

[5:45] Cat oh what the rain drop therapy it of it you on the touch technique used along fine and the bottom of the feet,

with nine different essential oils and the essential oils.

Therapeutic grade essential oils you can't just use any oil out there.

[6:11] You don't know exactly what's in them.

You can ingest,

he am and what the rain drop treatment daughter is.

The reason why I called the patient is lying on their belly.

[6:43] That's how i got a nickname grain got there he but there's nine different oils that would you.

[6:57] We work on it in a great way.

[7:01] So i got what i'm gonna start with you up.

It's based on the theory that many types of spinal.

Pathogens create on information what can contort and figure file cow on.

On have jug for their sign it in order to get that out.

Junk your sign on with the oil that you are the wraith electrical energy in the body of the frequency.

Provide the ability to bail on the central nervous system.

[8:00] The third reich dormant viruses fungus what you been trapped in the spinal cord checked in the hotel check-in

we want to get all that stuff out.

On an amat disposal but petrochemicals and how long.

Door in your cash when bloodstream drop your whole body and three to twenty wouldn't three fucking to twenty minute while.

[8:46] Yeah so many great

things are when i just wanna go back and you know just kinda summarize what your saying you're so and again,

no stress on the spine in that position in the gravity is just going through those spinal discs perfectly.

Greatest angel oils and dumping the entire bottle and rubbing it in again for like quote at the it that rain drop technique innocent of your acidic we dropping the oils.

The spine on to this can maybe doing a light gentle massage to help work,

those biochemistry that biochemistry into the scan and the spine to like you said.

Remove those toxins help with intoxication.

Formation this time because truly are spine is one of the first,

I agree 100%.

Massage technique used so.

[10:09] It's it's a massage but yet it's not.

[10:38] Rain drop their guy but you're also just getting that natural diffusion so we talked about how there's so many different ways.

To experience,

through the olfactory nerve.

They're getting the brain benefits of just inhaling that good plan chemistry that makes sense that.

Apple because i gotta tell you when when are you a rain drop tripping i'm on vacation because i'm smelling it and in a good working in my hand on it like i could.

Before they arrive.

I leave my room feeling like I can take on the world.

So whenever your rain trout creek bed it benefiting the patient is,

absolutely I couldn't agree more I mean I've done a little bit of rain.

[11:48] With myself actually.


and we were able to

1 for 20 minutes well it doesn't necessarily work that way you have to do it,


episode 32 but there is actual,


But you just mention they did research on,

raindrop treatment for people with scoliosis and they showed that the scoliosis improved.

[13:16] On fruit cow nine not ninety nine.

She will just have straightened.

[13:29] Actually a blend of several oils.

Yep it has the power to,

fine i'll get people think it kinda crazy and don't.

[13:45] Believe it but you really need to be open-minded

feed the difference again that goes back to a point i made earlier knowledge is power but the real life change happens when you actually a,

why the application of that knowledge brings about significant health changes and again there's lots of stuff out there to dark.

Rooted in urology and I can chiropractic

these are great alternatives to help you,

at the dinner

tuberculosis worried about

kids focusing in school and just preventing from preventing them from getting illnesses and helping them recover faster from injury to not or thank.

Overall it should oil just to let you know what each of them do you and all together on nine of them

play with all of the benefits of the each single one on get it wow i'm.

[15:07] I'll just give you a couple of examples of.

Really bad terrible allergies

and he was on your medication from the doctor.

And he has not used

kids prescription medication in 3 years.

So if you can,

take a raindrop treatment to him and.

[15:53] During your treatment please give me a call in your order your queue and your doing and on the guy called me but you know daddy i see.

To work the next day and i could actually bank.

I mean my mind was like unplugged and I felt so much better so he.


There with the body's ability.

[16:34] Exactly.

[16:41] Oils that are involved in the

beat you on a helicopter winter green,

winter green is why all the beautiful to my heart because are the reason i got into it will the first place.

[16:58] I went to a health Expo and there was a person with with the oils.

The problem going on in a women there to michael that really eq right now,

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[17:23] How you might helpful really really boring damn thing,

and within 20 minutes my pain was gone for like 4 days.

Where is the meeting that that what got me.

Methyl salicylate.

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make it help you maintain an open mind and clarity far.

[18:23] On it he got mad at properties go directly into the nerve center to help create relaxation.

[18:38] And it strengthens your feelings of security and it clears out.

[18:47] It's relaxing and calming to the nerves it War.


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[19:00] The respiratory system.

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He's on at the University of Cincinnati.

[19:15] And on 28.

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All of you yeah you and then tine support thing you can i check bacteria fungus.

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Like I told you is the car packed.

It balances the electrical energies in her body and creates an environment where structural alignment can occur.

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[20:00] And then roma he's really can't can in my hold,

sports injuries fatigue headaches.

Why is it that cute the bottom of your feet on the bottom the party at them the most with dr on.

[20:34] I want to put it it represents a sign so even when I'm doing the oil.


outstanding so just to summarize we got winter green cypress bay go oregano marjoram peppermint

i'm valor and a roman shade and again dev you know i love my wife so much but i have her with you boys to my head again it just sounds labor about be combined and put in the crock

quite understand

properties of the oil

with electromagnetism not really understand.

If you're just looking for ways to prevent illness and recover from injury to improve your concentration.

[22:02] Edgar went from pain just elevating at me ones which is what we're all about here on the podcast so

the the purpose of the michigan family wellness podcast is to be an audio library resource for the women mothers and families who want to learn more about elevating their family wellness and increasing their resiliency or that shrank to adapt to the stress and the challenges in their life

one of the ways we accomplish this is by asking Our Guest for practical application

set up.

[22:46] I believe that if they start

on a tremendously from using lavender.

Clean out the junk your spine called and the funk.

[23:18] Used essential oil

with that there you know with using me


knows how to use them in the proper way in the proper context because like,

i saw that.



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here and laughing and he it hr.

[24:42] I am located in what plan and on it.

[24:48] Talk to be set it at like your lame in one of.

Can you bring up a great point there to Debbie I do want to direct people to Michigan

highly recommended for the neuro emotional reflexes the psychosomatic emotional health

so chicks with william and then episode thirty two where we talk more about the.

Angel oils thanks again debbie and if you're listening to this podcast and this message is resonating with you.

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